Who Are The True Isrealites? Part 4 The division becomes clear.
And here comes the division clearer between the true Judeans who believed in Yahshua Christ and that He was the Christ and the jews, the non-Judeans, the rulers, who wanted to kill Him.
John 7:25-26 and 31
- 25 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?
- 26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ?
- 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?
But the jews (the Edomites) who think of themselves as Judeans (jews) do not believe in Yahshua Christ in His miracles. They just yelled on the top of their lungs, “Crucify Him, crucify Him.”
- Luke 23:21 But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
- Mark 15:13 And they cried out again, Crucify him.
- John 19:6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.
The jews, the rulers, do not know Who the Father is. And they don’t understand what Yahshua Christ is saying, nor do they understand the Scripture.
John 8:19 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.”
- 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
- 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
- 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
- —-John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
- —-Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
- 26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
However, many other jews (the Judeans) did understand and believed what Yahshua Christ was saying.
- 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
- 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Before 1775 the English language was in its infancy. For the translators of the 1611 King James Bible, the word IEWE was used to translate to the word Ye-hu-wdiy. The word IEWE ought to be pronounced Yee-hoo-wee to come as close to the Hebrew phonetic pronunciation as possible, which is unlike the pronunciation of the word “Jew”
In the NT, the word “jew” refers to the people that were living in Judaea. But they were not all of the tribe of Judah, the tribe where Yahshua Christ was born into,
The “jews” claiming they were of Abraham’s seed said they were never in bondage. But the Israelites were in bondage: in Egypt, later they were taken captive by the Assyrians and the Babylonians.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Yahshua Christ did not say their descendant was not of Abraham. Because Esau was the grandson of Abraham. However, that is where it ends. But it are the Israelites who believe in Yahshua Christ, are of Abraham’s seed and from Isaac the son of Promise, and of Jacob/Israel.
John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
John 8:39 They answered and said unto Him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
And Yahshua Christ continues with the truth:
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Yahweh God saying to Moses:
Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.
The jews, the Edomites, claim Yahweh God is their father, however, Yahshua Christ says their father is the devil, the father of lies.
- 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
- 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
- 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
- 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The jews (the Pharisees) were convinced Yahshua Christ is from the devil.
John 8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil.
The jews were about the throw stones at Him for blasphemy. By His power, Yahshua Christ passed them by but, He did not get hurt.
- 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
- —-Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
- 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
The Bible speaks that the jews by contradicting their speech they already were possessed by satan. They do not belong to Israel, nor are these jews Yahweh’s people.
Jeremiah 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Link to: the Report of Pontius Pilate to the emperor Tiberius Ceasar, The report relates (prior) to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
Under the heading ” I WAS TOLD IT WAS JESUS. And quote I in red font:
“His golden-colored hair and beard gave Him the appearance of a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years old. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a Contrast between Him and His hearers, with their black beards and tawny completion!”
How Yahsua Christ looked like when He was walking on earth is not described in the Bible, however, the scenario is true because the shepherd boy David who later became king has a ruddy complexion.
1Samuel 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.
1Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.
Two Roman witnesses discerned that Yahshua Christ was different than the jews who yelled” on the top of their lungs: “Crucify Him, crucify Him” *
The description of Pilate shows the physical difference between the Judeans (the Israelites) and the jews (the Edomites).
Pilate is repeating the words of his centurion Manilus once said after Yahshua Christ gave up the ghost:
Matthew 27: 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
In the Old Testament, the word “jew” ought to be read as Judahite which were the Israelites of the tribe of Judah. In the New Testament, the word “Jew” ought to be read as Judean which were the Israelites also of the tribe of Judah, and they were living in the Roman province of Judea.
The term “Judaism” refers to the teachings of the Talmud the Jewish Mysticism. These Rabbinical writings are based upon the Kabbalah and the book of Zohar and are contradicting the Bible, by denying that Yahshua Christ is Yahweh of the Old Testament among other things .
Link to a website of the following More recent information July 2007
The following is an abstract of the book: Jesus The Isrealite Was Neither A “Jew” Nor A “Christian“. Written by John Hall Elliot. (Copy and paste from the website)
“Distinguishing between insider and outsider groups and their differing nomenclatures is essential for accurate interpretation and translation. Jesus and his earliest followers, evidence demonstrates, were called
Nazoreans' by their fellow Israelites.Israel’,
Israelites' were the preferred terms of self-designation among members of the house of Israel when addressing other members—not ‘Ιουδαιος’,
Jew' or Judaism’. Modern interpreters and translators of the Bible, it is argued, should respect and follow this insider preference. ‘Ιουδαιος , an outsider coinage, is best rendered
Judaean', not Jew’, to reflect the explicit or implied connection with Judaea. It was employed by Israelites when addressing outsiders as an accommodation to outsider usage. The concepts
Christian' as understood today are shaped more by fourth century rather than first-century CE realities and hence should be avoided as anachronistic designations for first-century persons or groups. Use of Christian’ is best restricted to its three NT appearances. The use of appropriate nomenclature is crucial for minimizing historical and social inaccuracies and misunderstandings”.
Quote from the website in red font
“In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.
Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.“
Oh Yahshua Christ Christ, Mighty and Precious Saviour!
Thanks once again for bringing clarification on these subjects. People that forget true history also lose their reference and foundation. I read that the word Jew did not occur until 1775. And it was the publisher of some of the new Bibles. This was about the time they had made their deal with President Washington and he allowed them in. Some of their names appear Spanish. Assumed names I am sure. The “chosen ones” are western people. They are the ones being persecuted. And they are described in the old testament. They also dealt in gold and Jewelry, Some say that is the origin of Jew. Iewe was pronounced without the J sound. It is offensive in my opinion to relate that group with the tribe of Judah, with ones such as King David, Solomon and Jesus. I am sure there is enough forgiveness to cover them just as Christ stated in John. If they believed and followed. I also have read that when the twelve tribes set up their encampment with the Ark that they arranged the camp in the shape of the Swastika an ancient symbol. WWII was a war that was good against evil. There is no way I can see the German people, those beautiful people as the evil ones. Even though my entire life since I was a small boy the label was placed on them. The evil ones were the ones that steered us into that affair. The Germans were Christians. My father was in that at the end. He told me it was a mistake. It makes me sick to see those pictures of those young German boys at war with the entire world. The Media has the ability to change these things. They are irresponsible and cause mayhem. Just like now. We in my opinion are in much worse shape than if Germany would have won WWII. All the Information is altered and rewritten. Just like the Bibles. But the truth finds a way. The truth is from the Lord. And the lies as he stated are from the serpent.
Thank you for sharing your story.
No, not all Germans agreed with Hitler’s policies. The story goes that he did not kill himself but he was able to escape to Argentina
But as I said I don”t know whether this is true or not.
The Founding Fathers were no Christians and George Washington was a Freemason.
It were the Pilgrim Fathers who came to America to live free to obey God’s Law. But as always evil creeps in.
The Pilgrim Fathers came from Europe. The twelve tribes of Israel are not lost, they have lost their identity.
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
After going carefully over the generations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and God’s promises and the covenant that HE established with the Patriarchs it is not very difficult to find out who the Edomite Jews are. The hostility between Jacob and Esau never ended. It exists till this very day.
(They also dealt in gold and Jewelry, Some say that is the origin of Jew. ) I had that inserted in a way that might have been confusing.
Jews trade in gold. Yes, I have heard that too.
That’s why it could be very well possible the word jewelry relates to the word Jew.
Because not only trade the Jews in gold. Their trade is also diamonds. They are excellent diamond cutters. Nobody else surpasses this workmanship.
Excellent! and even more scripture references then I knew about. There is a couple more witnesses to Christs appearance. Josephus and another one. The pictures we have always had of him have to be fairly accurate. They aren’t a recent creation. There is nothing offensive about this fact. The current attack on origin and history is the offensive one.
And this is all good news, the truth that sets us free. I see the freemason symbols everywhere. My line goes up and into that group. One of my grandfathers married two of George Washingtons sisters. One sister died so he married another. I have a cousin that is in his eighties that was a Mason. He went up to the 32nd degree. He got out. It was a lot of parties and celebrating and of course a connection that allowed advancement in society. President Kennedy at the end was against secret societies. I know his family had gained their wealth through illegal means but I also know that in the end Joe had changed. The Kennedy line goes into Ireland and up to that royal line which is one of the tribes. I’ll find it and share it. I also have a site I found that backs up what you have here. Some things the author has I disagree with but nearly all of it is true. https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/the-word-jew-is-not-in-the-bible/
Thank you so much Clark for the link. I did not know about this website and I am following it. The reason for the four articles “Who are the true Israelites” is this link. .
She linked my homepage to her weblog.
I agreed with another blogger who also thinks modern Israel is not from the Bible. I did not want to get into an argument with that third person on a blog that is not mine. Anyway, we both were all wrong. A couple of days before that discussion with that disagreeing person I stumbled on the information of Sheldon Emry. That caused me to search for more sources. Praise the LORD for that o my soul.
And this my story how everything came about.
It is a small world indeed. Most of the sites I read are partially true or I agree with. There always sees to be a few items that are incorrect and distort the other true facts and cause a disconnection. Yours however are in line and are fully connected. They read as a complete history and have no openings or distortion. I will look at that link. I know what I feel and see .
The claims we make have to agree with the Bible and not the other way around. Some There call them that call themselves “Christian” and yet the King James Bible is a reproach to them. You see, the word “Christian” does not mean that much to me anymore.
Bible believers don’t always agree.
Bible believers don’t always agree on everything with each other. There is nothing wrong with that and I usually, have no problem with it. They may look at it from a different point of view. I don’t know everything either. God goes with each of His own, His way, and in His own time.
But calling Lord Jesus Christ a Jew while the Saviour is not I can show a different side of me.
I have that issue myself. I think it’s a guardian thing. Protecting people from danger. There are those that may think it as an attack but it isn’t true.
Christian, and that building they call a Church. Words are cheap backing them up requires dedication. Our Savior is the example. He backed up all of his words even after incredible torture. And he was alone.
The FellowShip is a forum Majik created when the Channels were removed. First, there was traffic but the traffic ceased. We are trying to get it off the ground. That’s why I put a link to that website on this weblog and in my profile of Disqus,
I have to tell you we are not quite on the same page as far as modern Israel is concerned and the Rapture. For the time I let it be.
He is a smart guy with a lot of common sense and last but not least he is devoted to Jesus Christ.
Just taking a look at the belief of one Jew and their excuse for continuation of their doctrine.
Dshalom 11 days ago
“What is so astounding to me when it comes to those who vehemently adhere to the false doctrine of Replacement Theology Christendom is it proves those individuals are just spewing the rhetoric poured into them. If they had actually read a simple account found in Acts 21, it would, to a normal person, cause them to take a step back and re-evaluate the false doctrine. What am I referring too specifically? Consider the following and remember this event as recorded in Acts 21 is some thirty years AFTER Yeshua (Not jesus) has come and gone: ”
This is no excuse for murder. It is also further proof of their confusion and persecution of Christians. There adherence to the Talmud and it’s excuses for murder and all the other vile inhuman transgressions put on Israelite’s and all Westerners and people of the world.
And the Red Heifer and the vow of the Nazarite . As this person attempts to verify with no scripture that I can see as far as being related to Paul or to justify persecution and murder.
” Paul takes a vow in Acts 18:18…what type of a vow? The only one the Torah discusses i.e. a Nazarite Vow per Numbers 6. Now what is interesting is if Christendom understood anything about the Temple, which it doesn’t, what expenses is Paul expected to pay for? Well, per Numbers 6, to complete a Nazarite Vow will require to be cleansed by the ashes of the red heifer, ”
I see nowhere any mention of the Red Heifer as part of the vow.
“(Heb. form Nazarite), the name of such Israelites as took on” them the vow prescribed in Num. 6:2-21. The word denotes generally one who is separated from others and consecrated to “God. Although there is no mention of any Nazarite before Samson,” yet it is evident that they existed before the time of Moses. “The vow of a Nazarite involved these three things, (1)” “abstinence from wine and strong drink, (2) refraining from” cutting the hair off the head during the whole period of the “continuance of the vow, and (3) the avoidance of contact with” the dead. “When the period of the continuance of the vow came to an end, the Nazarite had to present himself at the door of the sanctuary “with (1) a he lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, (2) a” “ewe lamb of the first year for a sin-offering, and (3) a ram for” a peace-offering.
There is mention made in Scripture of only three who were Nazarites for life: Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist (Judges 13:4,5; 1 Samuel 1:11; Luke 1:15).
And I am not even going to bring into this post the disgusting items in their Talmud.
Regarding persecution, I had a place I used to go to eat and the Hispanic people there were always friendly and liked me. It was a great atmosphere. Now after the continuous media anti white anti west bombardment it has all changed. I will not stop by this place anymore. A black couple sat nearby and were loud and obnoxious. The hispanic waiters and waitresses seemed to enjoy this couple. My welcome was over. I could see the hate in their eyes. Another lady I know sent me a picture of her newborn baby. It had completely black eyes. Babies in my genetic group are always born with blue eyes that then change. Her husband an Oriental. I understand that a woman enjoys a friendly companion. There is another element however. The other races see the white women as what they are, more beautiful and I understand all this. However that line of her ancestry is gone. Freaks me out. That is a hybrid and now a completely different human.
Thank you Clark for your detailed responses. I do appreciate it. And of course, that includes the post of the generations.
And yes I remember DShalom and more of his group. I had run-ins with them in the past. They are just Torah believers not able to discern one thing from another. And I can understand that. I was partly there, and I have partly done that.
Paul and the other apostles were bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Israelites in Asian Minor. Because Paul is always talking about brethren, in his epistles. Brethren are not people of other nations. John, Peter, James, and Jude addressed their epistles to the Israelites and the Judeans.
When we know this there is no saying at all that the Church replaced Israel. When we can understand this and I must say it is quite a switch, we now read the Bible with completely different eyes. It is stunning. We want to feel heavenly we must read the King James Bible.
It does not mean that one thing excludes the other but it mostly applies to us, the white people.
The Talmud and other Rabbinic writings like the Tanach, Mishna among others are contradicting the Bible. Their writings are indeed disgusting.
I am not saying that people with dark skin, Hispanics, and Asians cannot be saved. They can but they must believe in the Name of Jesus Christ. The people you met obviously, did not.
I agree completely. Origin and color of skin has no bearing in regards to being saved. He created all. The Imposters are the ones causing injury. The persecution has been brought forward by this fake media and many people now know who is responsible.
Those in bondage of the devil, are persecuting those who are free in Christ.
This pdf file you will like. It in regards to Tribe of Judah is incorrect however. But shows the migrations and backs it up quite well.
Various sources come to somewhat different conclusions. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody can know everything. One thing, however, becomes abundantly clear. The Jews living in modern Israel, claiming they are God’s chosen people are not the true Israelites.
More to sort out, to find more Bible verses, and to add to my notes.
Clark thank you, for the welcome link you provide.
It ties a few things together and it’s always a pleasure for me to converse with a respectful lady who has a bit of intelligence. Men tend to compete. It all sounds the same after awhile. And the flowers I enjoy.
It took me almost two decades to believe what I now believe. I usually look before I leap. But the information where I stumbled upon some months ago only confirmed my beliefs even more. Hence my posts.
Many people don’t share this belief, however, I understand where they are coming from.
On the other hand, it is difficult when not impossible to swim against the stream.
These things find their way to us. Once that door opens, the one of truth, you enter a library of information. It keeps coming and even faster. Insight has brought us clues. Then just a little investigation. And I believe this time we are in has brought him closer to his people. There has to be a reason why I can look at a thing and read it and see the importance and message in it. Then I show it to another person and they don’t. That King James Bible and it’s God inspired message is radiating truth all at once and throughout it’s text. A frequency. Just having it in my presence puts me at ease.
Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the Book it is written of Me,
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me,) to do Thy will, O God.
That’s it again and again. Then said I, Lo I come in the volume of the book it is written of me. To do thy will O God.
I feel the tension and the eyes upon me as I work to bring the good into the situation. The ones I help and lift seem to gather and hate me and I also think it is a blood DNA thing. They act one way in private and a completely different way in public. It has been this way from the beginning. But when I reach out and take possession of a woman, she comes across. Until, it affects her popularity. But silence helps no one. The Devil has ensnared his own group by bringing the Anti Semite label in. When the People of the west are the true Semites and his are mostly not, then the truth if it is accepted will reverse this prejudice.
Sorry, I keep skipping around in here and then miss out on the comments.
Come to think of it
When a White person is antisemitic he/she is in fact, is against him/herself
Yes it shows the people of NW Europe are Semites. The Heraldry shows it.
The Bible is a Book about the spiritual warfare between God and His adversary. The warfare started in the Garden of Eden Genesis 3:15. and is still going on.
The Bible is also a family book. The OT is all about the Israelites and so is the NT. The Bible is about the redemption of God’s stiffnecked people and the feud between Esau and Jacob. The feud is still very much alive today. And when we know that the Bible deals with Israel and that all the epistles are addressed to the Israelites scattered abroad we have a better understanding of the Bible.
There is of course salvation of individuals of other nations. However, that will be of God’s choosing.
Jackie, that is so true. When I get into a situation with a person that tries to push the same old Marxist garbage on me, The truth comes right out of me. In fact, I told one after he had sided with the fake ones that he was an antisemite, Lol! That one seems to be amazingly effective especially when followed up with the Biblical description in Genesis. And I have to again mention the number two in my day to day life. I went to the doctor for my routine exam and an X-ray of my elbow just to see if there was any fracture. The room was 222. The ones that examined me were two people. Then there were two buildings I went to. Everything two. I must pray to the lord and see what is up. Then, if I get a call or even any contact with women, it is always two. Look at my upvotes, two women. Or No women. I’m not worried about it. I welcome any input or conversation with any person, Man or Woman. However, That competition between men gets to be a problem. Here in the real world, my talent and energy as well as helpfulness has only brought more enemies and jealousy. It amazes me how the Lord watches over me and prevents those around me from messing up my forward motion. Now there are four of them to my one. Time for me to go. When it becomes so obvious, Then it is time for me to move on. The Lord will open a door for me, He always has. Incite is a valuable tool, and It protects me . I can read a person by their statements and actions. To me it’s quite unbelievable to witness the opposite result come from a positive gesture. I see the whole picture at that group of channels. Each one is a baiting channel. Most are Jews. They gather information. Two women have bought into the fake “Chosen One” thing. Thank you for keeping this private.
Clark, seek first the Lord GOD and the Kingdom of Heaven. It is of most importance in these dangerous and yet special times